I like it, thanks Dubya! Americans should be grateful we have a man in the
office that will hunt down terrorists in whatever country they try to hide in.
The pussies on the left wouldn't do it..
pussies on the left wonder how many terrorists we are creating by killing tens
of thousands of innocent people in whatever countries terrorists try to hide in.
Plus Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. :O
Funny how the DoD stopped publically keeping track of terrorist events around
the globe after the numbers started climbing steeply after we invaded Iraq.
Keeping us safe? I think not.
The better way to 'hunt down terrorists' is to not give them the dignity of a
military reponse, but to track them with police investigations and treat them
like the criminals they are. When we kidnap a known terrorist, and then torture
him, his evidence becomes inadmissable in court. So then we have to assassinate
him quietly, which makes us as bad as them.
Remember, Dubya WAS the sitting president when the Towers were struck... and
after ignoring significant evidence that something of that kind was going to
happen.
Oh, my bad, I forgot that the Towers were used as a pretext to further our
geostrategy against China's growing need for oil and Liquid Natural Gas. We
occupy arabia, they cannot get to the goods w/o going through U.S.
what can i say we got to stop china somehow - they will fuck us over if we give
them the slightest inch - they will probably fuck us over any way we cut the
cake - its just a matter of time
Do we have to 'stop' them? Can't we all share the world? Or does it have to
come to war? Would the U.S. be more successful by being honest and dealing
multi-laterally with other nations? Perhaps in this way the U.S. could build a
network of opposition to China's expansion, and we wouldn't have to 'go it
alone'. But as it is, we feel the need to flex our military muscle practically
everywhere we go, we piss people off, and guess what... they are happy to deal
with China, because the US will send its corporations in to rape them otherwise.
In other countries' eyes, China looks friendly and the U.S. looks like a
violent state increasingly out-of-control. I seriously suspect that the ploy in
Iraq will not work in the long run. It will only ally China with arabia.
Remember, the West plays Chess, but the Chinese play Go. Meaning, the West can
win the battle, but the Chinese have their sights set on the very long term, a
long term we can't see right now.
Seems like he is not doing such a good job of hunting down all those terrorists
you all are bragging about and promising. Over 4 years after 9/11 and not much
significant success to show for it. "a man in the office that will hunt
down terrorists in whatever country" -- As they say, actions speak louder
than words and as we say down here, that dog won't hunt.
people that think we can just go out and "pick-up" these assholes is
naive to say the least! they're whole life is dedicated to being invisible to
the naked eye. only what they have done and claiming responsibility from a safe
place. quit bashing , and help support your president, and maybe just maybe the
time frame will shorten. all your energy expended towards the negative could be
used alot more usefully
should be iran and n. korea but all these second guessing asswipes w/no inside
info on what is REALLY GOING ON are trying their hands at politics! shut up and
let the man opperate! you will be amazed at the progress that could be made. if
you don't have a degree in political science or any other related area. then you
have NO credible arguement!
Wait...are you saying that Bush has a degree in anything? He was a low C
student, his daddy had to pay big bucks to get into college. As for N. Korea,
they have 1,000,000 men in their army, they would kick ass on the U.S. troups,
not to mention they have nukes. Iran? We would be bogged down more there than in
Iraq.
"Quit bashing and support your President? Be a patriot?" That is
idiotic. Putting aside the obvious quip that I am sure that was not your
position when Clinton was President, and I am sure that your position will again
change when the next Democrat is elected President, since when has mindless
adolation been a virtue? I am sorry. I was willing to give this guy (Bush) the
benefit of the doubt back in 2001 and 2002, but at some point one has to look at
results. The results have sucked. To put it mildly.
And yes, digger, I do have a degree in Political Science -- School of Foreign
Service, Georgetown University. In addition, I have friends fairly highly
placed in the military and the State Department and they all -- without
exception -- believe that the present administration has f^&$ed this up and
not through bad luck, but rather through refusing to face facts, reports or
realities that did not otherwise comport with their preconceived notions. In
otherwords, the "adults" were acting like spoiled children who did not
get their way.
By the way, go read some of the articles that have come out in the past 2 years
in Foreign Affairs or any of the other serious journals if you do not take my
word for it. Even the Kato Institute and other seriously conservative think
tanks are against the way we are handling the "war on terrorism."
"Support the President" isn't a plan, it is willful ignornance of
reality -- the kind that puts us all in unnecessary jeapordy. Think about
it.
As my mamma used to say, "if all of your friends jump off a cliff, are you
going to jump too?"
i have supported EVERY pres. we've had. you can't please everyone everytime. as
for n. korea and iran, sure it would be the greatest undertaking in recent
history, but is necessary to the overall well being and sanity of the world.
unless these kind of regimes are eliminated,we, the world community, will never
be safe from tyrrany and suppression. we have to question the pres. during
planning and decision making processes, but when he makes his stand we need to
back him 100%! no questions, or the credibility of his decision will be greatly
soiled. recent history as a perfect example.
I don't have a degree in p.s., so i guess by my own comments, my opinion isn't
worth shit. I've never been much of a political devotee, but backing the pres.,
in my eyes, is just plain patriotic. I'm proud to be a citizen of the greatest
country in the world. when something is done to bring down regimes like these, i
become the biggest cheerleader of them all.
I too am proud to be a citizen of the greatest country ever. I just want it to
stay that way. Way too many people worked way to hard to see it going the way
it is at the moment. True patriotism is doing what is right for the country.
Sometimes that means being against the present political order. Example is
Zimbabwe -- who is the greater patriot? The party hack who is bulldozing
shanties and running off productive white farmers (supporting their President,
right or wrong) or the opposition leader willing to face jail, torture and death
to say that Mugabe is a nutcase? Same analysis applies to Cuba. Same analysis
applies here. Not to say that Bush equates to Castro or Mugabe: He clearly does
not. But to say that just following by itself is not patriotism. Following
what you believe to be right for your country is patriotism, and sometimes that
is to go against those presently in power. Sometimes it is to follow those in
power to the end of the earth. At the moment, my best judgment is to go
against.
That is what I think is so misleading about the argument -- people confuse
following Roosevelt in WW2 (which I happen to believe was 100% correct and had
many relatives fighting in -- I am not old enough myself) with following Bush
today (which I believe has made us weaker and has deteracted the military from
the role it should be playing -- wiping out existing terrorists, not creating
training grounds for new ones).
At least we can have a rational discussion, which I appreciate. Way too much
immature namecalling on this forum. Calling each other names is the surest way
to show you have no real argument. I appreciate your point of view, Digger, I
just disagree and wanted to explain why.
I'm glad SOMEONE disagrees w/a logical response. like you say too much name
calling, that just nullifies your argument. i still say that unfortunately for
the world, we are the only country with the balls to say enough, and back it up!
hope it continues. the FREE world needs to rally behind bush and "git 'er
dun"
I once saw an interview on TV with Bill Clinton and the interviewer kept
hounding Clinton for his oppinion on how Dubya had treated the Iraq situation
but Billy wouldn't bite until near the end of the interview he finally responded
and his answer was so true.
He said no matter what happens in the world there will always be bad people out
there like Saddam and no matter what we do to rid ourselves of people like that
there will always be more bad people coming behind them. So when we seem to have
made a fix today the bad people coming after will be that much worse to us for
what we have done in the past. In effect what we have done is rid ourselves of
Saddam today only to have somebody much worse to follow in his footsteps
tommorow. So our children and our grand children will be the ones to pay the
price. The problems and the issues that face Iraq and other nations like Iraq
today have been around for thousands of years and unfortunately Bush is not
going to be the guy to end them.
On the issue of patriotism, Bill Clinton was the president before Bush so I
would assume that all you patriots out there would have followed him and were
loyal to him. What I fail to understand is how you can be loyal to one
presidents way of running the country only to do a complete 180 in favour of the
next presidents way of running the country. You have to agree that Clintons way
and Bush's way are totally different from each other.
guess you missed this part."we have to question the pres. during planning
and decision making processes, but when he makes his stand we need to back him
100%! no questions, or the credibility of his decision will be greatly soiled.
recent history as a perfect example."
Just nuke the ragheads and take their oil. that is the objective anyway. those
cocksucking calemfuckers were nothing before oil and are still worthless pricks.
nobody would miss those cunts.
On November 17, 2005, 10:57 pm lildiablo@170228 said :
all this talk and yet you're all still just sitting on your asses and bitching
like a couple of schoolgirls fighting over a fucking cookie. Do something in
support of what you believe in or just shut the fuck up.
Besides, he's pointing at a mirror.
