pissonaDCBeast Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 04:18AM
No, we just didn't think you were that stupid.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 04:20AM
pissonaDCBeast@23738
Still lying to yourself I see.
pissonaDCBeast Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 04:32AM
Or, you are still lying to yourself--I guess if you keep saying it you will
eventually believe that it is the truth.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 04:36AM
pissonaDCBeast@23738
Refute it ass. You can't.
Nice try geek. Troll somewhere else.
ToucanSam Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 06:06AM
lol. Sad but true. That's ONE reason.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 08:29AM
Everyone that has posted here so far is an idiot America is in Iraq for the oil
not Iran.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 09:31AM
Anonymous@252104
Wrong. Those believe the public mass media think that. those who actually have
information know otherwise.
Oil will run out in 40 years. Oil rationing is a much more economical way of
stretching out the oil timeline. Muslims like to get rich just like white
men.
Killing people to control the end of a resource that is running out fast is for
conspiracy theorists.
This was always about keeping nukes out of the hands of people who have been
wronged by the US and Britain.
Unfortunately the US and Britain have fucked over so many people that keeping
nuclear arms from all of them is impossible.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 09:56AM
Look at the map of Iraq and the region. If you had a little military training
you would see why we went into Iraq. I will make a very good staging ground for
the major war which will be brougjt about by the Islamic radicals convincing the
people of muslem faith to join their Jhad.
Truth_from_Georgia Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 03:30PM
The one actually reasonable explanation that I read for this whole mess
(because yes, nuclear programs had clearly not been restarted before the war and
the idea of democracy is naiveté taken to a new level -- remember they are
Arabs and have no democratic tradition -- democracy is what the losers in the
Middle East cry until they get power, and then screw that) is that the US was
getting too much grief throughout the Arab world for bases in Saudi Arabia
("infidels in the Holy Land", etc.) and that we had to get our troops
out of there. Still, the Middle East is to important not to have a significant
troop presence, so where do we put them? Using Cuba and Guantanamo in the early
1900s as a model, why not invade a country, take out a government you don't like
anyway, put in one friendly to you, sign a 99 year base lease (again, a la
Guantanamo) and there you go.
That actually makes sense.
ToucanSam Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 04:46PM
Yeah, truth! Oh, oh, and the oil to. and my pal dick cheny to. Yeah,
unfortunatly, the MAJOR war will happen not to far off in the future. Sad.
Hey. Do you know why there were not american made cars most of the 40's? Just
guess.
Did you know China has been buying the worlds scrap steel for years, and is an
unequal trading partner with the US. Speculate.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 05:13PM
jgoins
Islamic Jihad is a red herring.
The invasion of Iraq was always about protecting the illegally formed nation of
Israel.
Duane Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 06:36PM
We know their intent and we have seen the lengths they will go to.Talking time
is over they have to know the outcome of fucking with the U.S.A.You can cry all
day but we will win this war and there will be more countries to drop before we
are done so get used to it.
ToucanSam Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 08:36PM
Hey the last WW the U.S. used nukes. Not politicaly correct? Others have nukes
also. Fuck it. Point made? Glass the whole fukin EUR/ASIA? You've got to
kill every one to start from scratch. To overcome the cultural differences,
some cultures have to be wiped out, one way or another. Hey we're just animals
that have a conscience,that don't wanna die,that make up "gods" to
fight about, and fight for "the holy land". God is great? Right? JUST
TO LET YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT THOSE JEHAID !@#$%^&* SHOUT EVERTIME THEY SNIPE,
OR RPG, OR BLOW UP ANY THING.
Like all this mudslinging in the VA governors race. Some one's lying. I bet
both. Fighting about gods? Some one is wrong. I bet my life, both.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 08:36PM
"The invasion of Iraq was always about protecting the illegally formed
nation of Israel."
Uhhh what exactly is your definition of "legal"???
Israel was formed by a resolution of the United Nations in 1947. How is this
"illegal"?? In your own mind perhaps?
As for the motives of the Iraq invasion, people do not realize how incredibly
important a reliable source of oil is to civilization. The use of oil and other
energy sources goes hand in hand with mankind's standard of living almost
exactly. Without cheap energy, civilization as we know it WILL END. People that
profess that we just need utilize the other energy sources that the big oil
companies have been suppressing are talking out of their asses. Our society
relies on wealth being available to the majority of society, not just the elite.
Any other energy source will be prohibitively expensive and the average
consumer will end up spending most of their wealth on essentials like just on
keeping warm and using electricity. The economy as we know it will collapse
without cheap energy. China is aware of these facts and is already securing as
much oil as it can. So the leadership of the United States would be remiss in
its duties to the American people if it did not act now to ensure that oil
producing nations continue to produce oil as long as possible without the
instability of a rogue fanatical leadership that threatens other oil producing
nation such as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. It is simply intelligent, pragmatic long
term strategy.
ToucanSam Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 08:38PM
Also I guess no one wanted to talk about raw material shortages that would
effect EVERYONES life.
ToucanSam Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 09:12PM
Anonymous@208121 You seem to be on the right track, but, your not thinking
that far ahead. Uhg, need oil. Yes, oil. Yeaa, using the oil to build bigger,
larger, more consuming societies. Uhg, need all the oil. What!!!!!!!!no more
oil...........collapse. What are you trying to say about humans in general?
Oil and coal are not the only resources we have. Easiest to use. Most
productive?(no) And yes, life as we know it needs to end. Drastic changes
needed.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 09:50PM
OK ToucanSam, forget about the need for consuming luxuries, which I am assuming
you are referring to with "building larger more consuming societies".
Take just the essential need of FEEDING society. Only the use of cheap energy to
increase the efficiency of food production has allowed civilization to grow to
the level it has (billions). If energy was suddenly a lot scarcer, food
production will suffer and I believe just feeding the billions will be a very
serious issue. The use of energy is involved in every aspect of human activity,
like powering farm machinery, to cheaply producing insecticides and powering the
logistics chain to distribute the food. Only about 25% of energy is used for
motivating personal transportation. That 25% is also vital to the economy
however because people need to get around efficiently in order to facilitate the
exchange goods and services. Yes, one day the oil will run out, and it will not
be a good day for mankind, as it was a very important factor in our rise from a
pre-industrial civilization. It is still vitally important however that the
production of this resource is not hindered by social instability (re Islamic
fanaticism, sociopathic dictators) for AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. Hopefully a fairly
affordable alternative will be developed. No alternative exists today or will be
developed for the foreseeable future. Take the much heralded hydrogen energy
source. Hydrogen is not abundant as H2, the necessary form for energy use. It
must USE ANOTHER energy source to convert it to H2. Therefore all that is
happening is the transfer of existing energy, such as that in fossil fuels, to
the hydrogen, like a battery.
When it comes down to it, the fundamental problem is not the
"consuming" but it is population growth. Population growth is the
primary problem as any gains made by more efficiency or consuming less will be
quickly negated by more consumers. World population growth should be attacked
relentlessly rather than consuming. The problem is that it is more emotionally
acceptable to restrict purchasing behavior than the right to have babies.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 10:32PM
Anonymous@208121
The land where is now sits was stolen from palestine. No payment to palestine
was made. No agreement was made with palestine to give up the land. The land was
stolen. By any definition.
Stop with the chicken little crap of the world ending without oil. That would
only be true if oil ran out TODAY. However in the mean time every government is
working for alternatives to replace oil. The US would never be without oil with
Saudi Arabia being our lackey.
That the US went to war to secure america's oil future is BS. I'll grant that a
natural gas pipeline to fatten Daddy Bush's cronies was a secondary interest for
Shrub however the main reason the US invaded Iraq was to protect Israel from the
coming muslim retaliation. Mainly Iran launching nukes at Israel.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 10:51PM
aDCBeast, the land you are now renting or owning was stolen from somebody else
at one time or another, many times over I imagine. Therefore you are a criminal
living on someone elses land. The only way to settle this issue is to accept
the fact that possession is 9/10's of the law. To think otherwise would be
anarchy, and all of mankind would be involved in incessant warfare and suicide
bombings. Actually muslim's do seem to seek out chaos and anarchy, maybe you are
right about muslim retaliation. They never seem to let by bygones be bygones in
the interest of peace and order, almost like they love to fight and that it
gives their lives meaning. Perhaps that is why their interpretaion of God is a
violent unmerciful one. Actually, weren't the Israelis originally displaced
from Palestine by the Roman Empire a couple thousand years ago?
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 11:06PM
And by the way Beast, your contentions about oil simply demonstates your
ignorance and naivete about this issue. The growing scarcity of this resource
is a very large and looming issue for mankind, not just the United States. A
recent world conference by leading geologists, scientists and other experts in
the field discussed this very issue and in no way was the development of an
alternative energy source assured. Optimists were not in the majority. ANY
proposed alternative would be far scarcer and more expensive than something you
can simply pump out of the ground. The foundation of almost all economic
activity would be scarcer and by definition inflation would run rampant while
earnings plummeted. Interest rates would sky rocket, investment by corporations
would plummet. Think I'm talking out of my ass? This is pretty basic economics.
Grab an economics book and try to understand why the Great Depression occured
during the 1930's. The fundamental effects of a gradual depletion of fossil
fuels on the economy would make the 30's look diminutive in comparison.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 28, 2005 11:56PM
Look like good locations for oil rigs to me. A little mountainous but that
should pose no problem for Halliburton.
gruff Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 01:11AM
Iran has giant pens all along its border?
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 04:30AM
fuck liberals......Who in the hell ever thought that women should vote in this
free country, my fellow infedels?..............Hope Hillery HiClitlor runs this
year (TOO EASY)...rather deal with a puppet conservative than a
>>>>>>>>Liberal
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 07:02AM
Hey, ever had Persian food? There's this really great Basmati rice dish
prepared with seasoned ground beef in a spicy curry that's pretty awesome.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 10:55AM
Anonymous@208121 we need intelligent people like yourself on the ABC forums.
There are a few of us there that like to have intelligent debates but the nut
case are increasing. Toucan you are not invited.
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aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 10:55AM
Anonymous@95205
My naivete ? LOL! Come see me on the job in DC. then we will see who is naive.
You have no clue what you are talking about.
Alternative energy sources are being sought by every industrialized nation. Many
scientists believe the world can exist without fossil fuels altogether.
I am not a criminal. I didn't steal the land.
The american white man has made poor attempts but attempts none the less to
repay the indians for their land. The world made no effort to repay palestine
for stealing Israel from them. NONE!
Your two (multiple) wrongs make a right argument is hilarious. That argument
supports anarchy. who cares the land will be stolen by someone else in the
future so why give a shit ? That argument would invalidate any land claim on the
planet. That means I could steal my neighbors yard tomorrow. I don't think the
SS would be happy about that.
Your trolling effort is really quite sad. Are you really that lonely ?
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 10:56AM
gruff
Those are actually giant dildos to aid the sexually frustrated like yourself.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 12:03PM
As long as I can eat red meat, fill-up my sports car and SUV-the one with the
satalite TV and spinner mag wheels, have sex with a woman with surgically
enhanced breast, and buy a good ounce of primo weed every now and then I say
live and let live.
Fuck with that and you got yourself an American Jihad and a big-ol Texas size
can of woop-ass on your hands.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 05:04PM
"I am not a criminal. I didn't steal the land"
This is probably exactly what many average Israeli teenagers think when they
attend the funeral of their friends who were torn to shreds by a ball bearing
filled bomb while gossiping in a cafe.
On the contrary, you are without a doubt benefiting from the land that was
seized from American natives. Your belief that "white man" is trying
to repay natives is completely a self serving delusion. Instead of a tiny speck
of almost resourceless land like Israel, an entire continent was taken from it's
native American inhabitants (North/South America). So if Israel pays each
Palestinian $50 will that be an attempt to repay them "none-the-less"
and help justify the existence of Israel? We can thank god that native Americans
are not naturally belligerent and militant like arabs seem to be, otherwise we
too might be witnessing daily suicide bombings in the cafes of American cities.
Actually more like cities from South America up to Canada. The natives that were
displaced by the Europeans around let's say Washington DC very likely kicked
some other group of natives off the land at one time. Israelis in Palestine were
sent into exile by the Romans. History is replete with examples. The difference
with arabs however is that they seem to never let things go in the interest of
peace. They LOVE A GOOD FIGHT and look for reasons to hate others. In the grand
scheme of things, Palestine is an insignificant speck of dirt, yet for an
irrational reason the entire world is unstable because of it. If hypothetically
there is some alien intelligence observing us, they would be completely
bewildered by our inconsistent and irrational behavior. They would be perplexed
of why a large sophisticated nation of millions like Iran would threaten
starting a global nuclear war over an insignificant speck of land like Palestine
when there is nothing especially unique that has taken place there. One
explanation is religion which they would have to consider a huge element in our
irrational and destructive behavior.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 07:33PM
They are not pens or dildos....they are WMD's!
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: October 29, 2005 10:36PM
we are w/o a dought fucked on oil sooner than calculated (i give
25yrs).pssssst. ELECTRO-MAGNETIC.the more you can do as a citizen of the planet
is to conserve energy as much as possible to allow enough time for not only the
transfer of technology,but the "emergence" of a new age. have'nt we
had this arguement before? islike dejavu and stuff.
Poxy_Cunt Report This Comment Date: December 08, 2005 12:44PM
F.U.C.K.O.F.F.
triton Report This Comment Date: August 18, 2006 12:55PM
no NO
electromag still requires fossil fuels
hydrogen is the answer
but we dont know how to produce it without fossil fuels. YET
I`m including nuclear in fossil fuels
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: August 19, 2006 03:49AM
the production of hydrogen is waaaaaay to expensive to work and years away from
being equitable.
