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Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 13, 2011 11:31PM

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 13, 2011 11:58PM

"World comes to and end. Film at eleven."
-Gary Mule Deer

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 14, 2011 06:26AM

Well on October 22 let's all get on here and tell everyone what the end of the world feels like.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2011 06:27AM by jgoins.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 14, 2011 07:55AM

next Sunday also. smiling
bouncing smiley

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 15, 2011 06:18AM

To my knowledge judgment day is likely to come and go unnoticed by everyone even the deeply religious. I think judgment is when God judges mankind and decides who is worthy and who is lacking and I don't think any of us will notice or even know his decision. Of course the churches will say they know his decision and will claim they made the cut.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/2011 06:31AM by jgoins.

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 15, 2011 02:19PM

If God is all seeing, all knowing, all powerful then it seems to me also capable of judging people on an individual basis, if such judgment even exists. I seem to recall Jesus quoted as saying, "Judge not, lest ye be judged." I think we are who are doing the judging, not God. I think God is laughing out loud or in a crying eyes out or both.

The ironic current running through all religions is that people have been advised time and again over the known history of mankind to behave themselves and play nice but instead religion has distorted and manipulated material to do the opposite.

Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 16, 2011 07:05AM

Either the bible is to be believed and the following applies: Matthew 24 v36

Or the bible is not to be believed and we don't need to fear a judgment day.

Either way we don't need to worry about 21 May 2011.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 16, 2011 09:13AM

what would make you think that your interpretation of the bible is any more correct than anyone else's?
do you have some inside info?
or is it up to everyone to twist it's meaning to fit their own beliefs?

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 16, 2011 09:28AM

this is interesting:
A pig caused hundreds of Indians to kill one another in 1980. The animal walked through a Muslim holy ground at Moradabad, near New Delhi. Muslims, who think pigs are an embodiment of Satan, blamed Hindus for the defilement. They went on a murder rampage, stabbing and clubbing Hindus, who retaliated in kind. The pig riot spread to a dozen cities and left more than 200 dead.
This swinish episode tells a universal tale. It typifies religious behaviour that has been recurring for centuries.
Ronald Reagan often called religion the world's mightiest force for good, "the bedrock of moral order." George Bush said it gives people "the character they need to get through life." This view is held by millions. But the truism isn't true. The record of human experience shows that where religion is strong, it causes cruelty. Intense beliefs produce intense hostility. Only when faith loses its force can a society hope to become humane.
The history of religion is a horror story. If anyone doubts it, just review this chronicle of religion's gore during the last 1,000 years or so:
-- The First Crusade was launched in 1095 with the battle cry "Deus Vult" (God wills it), a mandate to destroy infidels in the Holy Land. Gathering crusaders in Germany first fell upon "the infidel among us," Jews in the Rhine valley, thousands of whom were dragged from their homes or hiding places and hacked to death or burned alive. Then the religious legions plundered their way 2,000 miles to Jerusalem, where they killed virtually every inhabitant, "purifying" the symbolic city. Cleric Raymond of Aguilers wrote: "In the temple of Solomon, one rode in blood up to the knees and even to the horses' bridles, by the just and marvelous judgement of God."
-- Human sacrifice blossomed in the Mayan theocracy of Central America between the 11th and 16th centuries. To appease a feathered-serpent god, maidens were drowned in sacred wells and other victims either had their hearts cut out, were shot with arrows, or were beheaded. Elsewhere, sacrifice was sporadic. In Peru, pre-Inca tribes killed children in temples called "houses of the moon." In Tibet, Bon shamans performed ritual killings. In Borneo builders of pile houses drove the first pile through the body of a maiden to pacify the earth goddess. In India, Dravidian people offered lives to village goddesses, and followers of Kali sacrificed a male child every Friday evening.
-- In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives -- many of them women and children -- taken outside the city and slaughtered. Some were disemboweled in a search for swallowed gems. Bishops intoned blessings. Infidel lives were of no consequence. As Saint Bernard of Clairvaux declared in launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."
-- The Assassins were a sect of Ismaili Shi'ite Muslims whose faith required the stealthy murder of religious opponents. From the 11th to 13th centuries, they killed numerous leaders in modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria. They finally were wiped out by conquering Mongols -- but their vile name survives.
-- Throughout Europe, beginning in the 1100s, tales spread that Jews were abducting Christian children, sacrificing them, and using their blood in rituals. Hundreds of massacres stemmed from this "blood libel." Some of the supposed sacrifice victims -- Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln, the holy child of LaGuardia, Simon of Trent -- were beatified or commemorated with shrines that became sites of pilgrimages and miracles.
-- In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against Albigenses Christians in southern France. When the besieged city of Beziers fell, soldiers reportedly asked their papal adviser how to distinguish the faithful from the infidel among the captives. He commanded: "Kill them all. God will know his own." Nearly 20,000 were slaughtered -- many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses, or used for target practice.
-- The Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 proclaimed the doctrine of transubstantiation: that the host wafer miraculously turns into the body of Jesus during the mass. Soon rumors spread that Jews were stealing the sacred wafers and stabbing or driving nails through them to crucify Jesus again. Reports said that the pierced host bled, cried out, or emitted spirits. On this charge, Jews were burned at the stake in 1243 in Belitz, Germany -- the first of many killings that continued into the 1800s. To avenge the tortured host, the German knight Rindfliesch led a brigade in 1298 that exterminated 146 defenseless Jewish communities in six months.
-- In the 1200s the Incas built their empire in Peru, a society dominated by priests reading daily magical signs and offering sacrifices to appease many gods. At major ceremonies up to 200 children were burned as offerings. Special "chosen women" -- comely virgins without blemish -- were strangled.
-- Also during the 1200s, the hunt for Albigensian heretics led to establishment of the Inquisition, which spread over Europe. Pope Innocent IV authorized torture. Under interrogation by Dominican priests, screaming victims were stretched, burned, pierced and broken on fiendish pain machines to make them confess to disbelief and to identify fellow transgressors. Inquisitor Robert le Bourge sent 183 people to the stake in a single week.
-- In Spain, where many Jews and Moors had converted to escape persecution, inquisitors sought those harboring their old faith. At least 2,000 Spanish backsliders were burned. Executions in other countries included the burning of scientists such as mathematician-philosopher Giordano Bruno, who espoused Copernicus's theory that the planets orbit the sun.
-- When the Black Death swept Europe in 1348-1349, rumors alleged that it was caused by Jews poisoning wells. Hysterical mobs slaughtered thousands of Jews in several countries. In Speyer, Germany, the burned bodies were piled into giant wine casks and sent floating down the Rhine. In northern Germany Jews were walled up alive in their homes to suffocate or starve. The Flagellants, an army of penitents who whipped themselves bloody, stormed the Jewish quarter of Frankfurt in a gruesome massacre. The prince of Thuringia announced that he had burned his Jews for the honor of God.
-- The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought human sacrifice to a golden era. About 20,000 people were killed yearly to appease gods -- especially the sun god, who needed daily "nourishment" of blood. Hearts of sacrifice victims were cut out, and some bodies were eaten ceremoniously. Other victims were drowned, beheaded, burned or dropped from heights. In a rite to the rain god, shrieking children were killed at several sites so that their tears might induce rain. In a rite to the maize goddess, a virgin danced for 24 hours, then was killed and skinned; her skin was worn by a priest in further dancing. One account says that at King Ahuitzotl's coronation, 80,000 prisoners were butchered to please the gods.
-- In the 1400s, the Inquisition shifted its focus to witchcraft. Priests tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they were witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the devil -- then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch hysteria raged for three centuries in a dozen nations. Estimates of the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. Whole villages were exterminated. In the first half of the 17th century, about 5,000 "witches" were put to death in the French province of Alsace, and 900 were burned in the Bavarian city of Bamberg. The witch craze was religious madness at its worst.
-- The "Protestant Inquisition" is a term applied to the severities of John Calvin in Geneva and Queen Elizabeth I in England during the 1500s. Calvin's followers burned 58 "heretics," including theologian Michael Servetus, who doubted the Trinity. Elizabeth I outlawed Catholicism and executed about 200 Catholics.
-- Protestant Huguenots grew into an aggressive minority in France in the 15OOs -- until repeated Catholic reprisals smashed them. On Saint Bartholomew's Day in 1572, Catherine de Medicis secretly authorized Catholic dukes to send their soldiers into Huguenot neighborhoods and slaughter families. This massacre touched off a six-week bloodbath in which Catholics murdered about 10,000 Huguenots. Other persecutions continued for two centuries, until the French Revolution. One group of Huguenots escaped to Florida; in 1565 a Spanish brigade discovered their colony, denounced their heresy, and killed them all.
-- Members of lndia's Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to appease the bloodthirsty goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the 1500s. The number of victims has been estimated to be as high as 2 million. Thugs were claiming about 20,000 lives a year in the 1800s until British rulers stamped them out. At a trial in 1840, one Thug was accused of killing 931 people. Today, some Hindu priests still sacrifice goats to Kali.
-- The Anabaptists, communal "rebaptizers," were slaughtered by both Catholic and Protestant authorities. In Munster, Germany, Anabaptists took control of the city, drove out the clergymen, and proclaimed a New Zion. The bishop of Munster began an armed siege. While the townspeople starved, the Anabaptist leader proclaimed himself king and executed dissenters. When Munster finally fell, the chief Anabaptists were tortured to death with red-hot pincers and their bodies hung in iron cages from a church steeple.
-- Oliver Cromwell was deemed a moderate because he massacred only Catholics and Anglicans, not other Protestants. This Puritan general commanded Bible-carrying soldiers, whom he roused to religious fervor. After decimating an Anglican army, Cromwell said, "God made them as stubble to our swords." He demanded the beheading of the defeated King Charles I, and made himself the holy dictator of England during the 1650s. When his army crushed the hated Irish Catholics, he ordered the execution of the surrendered defenders of Drogheda and their priests, calling it "a righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous wretches."
-- Ukrainian Bogdan Chmielnicki was a Cossack Cromwell. He wore the banner of Eastern Orthodoxy in a holy war against Jews and Polish Catholics. More than 100,000 were killed in this 17th-century bloodbath, and the Ukraine was split away from Poland to become part of the Orthodox Russian empire.
-- The Thirty Years' War produced the largest religious death toll of all time. It began in 1618 when Protestant leaders threw two Catholic emissaries out of a Prague window into a dung heap. War flared between Catholic and Protestant princedoms, drawing in supportive religious armies from Germany, Spain, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, France and Italy. Sweden's Protestant soldiers sang Martin Luther's "Ein 'Feste Burg" in battle. Three decades of combat turned central Europe into a wasteland of misery. One estimate states that Germany's population dropped from 18 million to 4 million. In the end nothing was settled, and too few people remained to rebuild cities, plant fields, or conduct education.
-- When Puritans settled in Massachusetts in the 1600s, they created a religious police state where doctrinal deviation could lead to flogging, pillorying, hanging, cutting off ears, or boring through the tongue with a hot iron. Preaching Quaker beliefs was a capital offense. Four stubborn Quakers defied this law and were hanged. In the 1690s fear of witches seized the colony. Twenty alleged witches were killed and 150 others imprisoned.
-- In 1723 the bishop of Gdansk, Poland, demanded that all Jews be expelled from the city. The town council declined, but the bishop's exhortations roused a mob that invaded the ghetto and beat the residents to death.
-- Islamic jihads (holy wars), mandated by the Koran, killed millions over 12 centuries. In early years, Muslim armies spread the faith rapidly: east to India and west to Morocco. Then splintering sects branded other Muslims as infidels and declared jihads against them. The Kharijis battled Sunni rulers. The Azariqis decreed death to all "sinners" and their families. In 1804 a Sudanese holy man, Usman dan Fodio, waged a bloody jihad that broke the religious sway of the Sultan of Gobir. In the 1850s another Sudanese mystic, 'Umar al-Hajj, led a barbaric jihad to convert pagan African tribes -- with massacres, beheadings and a mass execution of 300 hostages. In the 1880s a third Sudanese holy man, Muhammad Ahmed, commanded a jihad that destroyed a 10,000-man Egyptian army and wiped out defenders of Khartoum led by British general Charles "Chinese" Gordon.
-- In 1801 Orthodox priests in Bucharest, Romania, revived the story that Jews sacrificed Christians and drank their blood. Enraged parishioners stormed the ghetto and cut the throats of 128 Jews.
-- When the Baha'i faith began in Persia in 1844, the Islamic regime sought to exterminate it. The Baha'i founder was imprisoned and executed in 1850. Two years later, the religious government massacred 20,000 Baha'is. Streets of Tehran were soaked with blood. The new Baha'i leader, Baha'ullah, was tortured and exiled in foreign Muslim prisons for the rest of his life.
-- Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in the 1850s. When the capital was moved to Mandalay, 56 "spotless" men were buried beneath the new city walls to sanctify and protect the city. When two of the burial spots were later found empty, royal astrologers decreed that 500 men, women, boys, and girls must be killed and buried at once, or the capital must be abandoned. About 100 were actually buried before British governors stopped the ceremonies.
-- In 1857 both Muslim and Hindu taboos triggered the Sepoy Mutiny in India. British rulers had given their native soldiers new paper cartridges that had to be bitten open. The cartridges were greased with animal tallow. This enraged Muslims, to whom pigs are unclean, and Hindus, to whom cows are sacred. Troops of both faiths went into a crazed mutiny, killing Europeans wantonly. At Kanpur, hundreds of European women and children were massacred after being promised safe passage.
-- Late in the 19th century, with rebellion stirring in Russia, the czars attempted to divert public attention by helping anti-Semitic groups rouse Orthodox Christian hatred for Jews. Three waves of pogroms ensued -- in the 1880s, from 1903 to 1906, and during the Russian Revolution. Each wave was increasingly murderous. During the final period, 530 communities were attacked and 60,000 Jews were killed.
-- In the early 1900s, Muslim Turks waged genocide against Christian Armenians, and Christian Greeks and Balkans warred against the Islamic Ottoman Empire.
-- When India finally won independence from Britain in 1947, the "great soul" of Mahatma Gandhi wasn't able to prevent Hindus and Muslims from turning on one another in a killing frenzy that took perhaps 1 million lives. Even Gandhi was killed by a Hindu who thought him too pro-Muslim.
-- In the 1950s and 1960s, combat between Christians, animists and Muslims in Sudan killed more than 500,000.
-- In Jonestown, Guyana, in 1978, followers of the Rev. Jim Jones killed a visiting congressman and three newsmen, then administered cyanide to themselves and their children in a 900-person suicide that shocked the world.
-- Islamic religious law decrees that thieves shall have their hands or feet chopped off, and unmarried lovers shall be killed. In the Sudan in 1983 and 1984, 66 thieves were axed in public. A moderate Muslim leader, Mahmoud Mohammed Taha, was hanged for heresy in 1985 because he opposed these amputations. In Saudi Arabia a teen-age princess and her lover were executed in public in 1977. In Pakistan in 1987, a 25-year-old carpenter's daughter was sentenced to be stoned to death for engaging in unmarried sex. In the United Arab Emirates in 1984, a cook and a maid were sentenced to stoning for adultery -- but, as a show of mercy, the execution was postponed until after the maid's baby was born.
-- In 1983 in Darkley, Northern Ireland, Catholic terrorists with automatic weapons burst into a Protestant church on a Sunday morning and opened fire, killing three worshipers and wounding seven. It was just one of hundreds of Catholic-Protestant ambushes that have taken 2,600 lives in Ulster since age-old religious hostility turned violent again in 1969.
-- Hindu-Muslim bloodshed erupts randomly throughout India. More than 3,000 were killed in Assam province in 1983. In May 1984 Muslims hung dirty sandals on a Hindu leader's portrait as a religious insult. This act triggered a week of arson riots that left 216 dead, 756 wounded, 13,000 homeless, and 4,100 in jail.
-- Religious tribalism -- segregation of sects into hostile camps -- has ravaged Lebanon continuously since 1975. News reports of the civil war tell of "Maronite Christian snipers," "Sunni Muslim suicide bombers," "Druze machine gunners," "Shi'ite Muslim mortar fire," and "Alawite Muslim shootings." Today 130,000 people are dead and a once-lovely nation is laid waste.
-- In Nigeria in 1982, religious fanatic followers of Mallam Marwa killed and mutilated several hundred people as heretics and infidels. They drank the blood of some of the victims. When the militia arrived to quell the violence, the cultists sprinkled themselves with blessed powder that they thought would make them impervious to police bullets. It didn't.
-- Today's Shi'ite theocracy in Iran -- "the government of God on earth" -- decreed that Baha'i believers who won't convert shall be killed. About 200 stubborn Baha'is were executed in the early 1980s, including women and teenagers. Up to 40,000 Baha'is fled the country. Sex taboos in Iran are so severe that: (1) any woman who shows a lock of hair is jailed; (2) Western magazines being shipped into the country first go to censors who laboriously black out all women's photos except for faces; (3) women aren't allowed to ski with men, but have a separate slope where they may ski in shrouds.
-- The lovely island nation of Sri Lanka has been turned hellish by ambushes and massacres between Buddhist Sinhalese and Hindu Tamils.
-- In 1983 a revered Muslim leader, Mufti Sheikh Sa'ad e-Din el'Alami of Jerusalem, issued a fatwa (an order of divine deliverance) promising an eternal place in paradise to any Muslim assassin who would kill President Hafiz al-Assad of Syria.
-- Sikhs want to create a separate theocracy, Khalistan (Land of the Pure), in the Punjab region of India. Many heed the late extremist preacher Jarnail Bhindranwale, who taught his followers that they have a "religious duty to send opponents to hell." Throughout the 1980s they sporadically murdered Hindus to accomplish this goal. In 1984, after Sikh guards riddled prime minister Indira Gandhi with 50 bullets, Hindus went on a rampage that killed 5,000 Sikhs in three days. Mobs dragged Sikhs from homes, stores, buses and trains, chopping and pounding them to death. Some were burned alive; boys were castrated.
-- In 1984 Shi'ite fanatics who killed and tortured Americans on a hijacked Kuwaiti airliner at Tehran Airport said they did it "for the pleasure of God."
Obviously, people who think religion is a force for good are looking only at Dr. Jekyll and ignoring Mr. Hyde. They don't see the superstitious savagery pervading both history and current events.
During the past three centuries, religion gradually lost its power over life in Europe and America, and church horrors ended in the West. But the poison lingered. The Nazi Holocaust was rooted in centuries of religious hate. Historian Dagobert Runes said the long era of church persecution killed three and a half million Jews -- and Hitler's Final Solution was a secular continuation. Meanwhile, faith remains potent in the Third World, where it still produces familiar results.
It's fashionable among thinking people to say that religion isn't the real cause of today's strife in Lebanon, Sri Lanka, Northern Ireland, India and Iran -- that sects merely provide labels for combatants. Not so. Religion keeps the groups in hostile camps. Without it, divisions would blur with passing generations; children would adapt to new times, mingle, intermarry, forget ancient wounds. But religion keeps them alien to one another.
Anything that divides people breeds inhumanity. Religion serves that ugly purpose.
"Holy Horrors" is copyright © 1990 by James A. Haught. All rights reserved.
The electronic version is copyright © 1997 by Internet Infidels with the written permission of James A. Haught. All rights reserved. Enter content here
Koran, slavery and anti-Semitism
The main source of slaves was the pilgrimages to Mecca where poor Sudanese would sell one of their children into slavery for to pay for they journey home. In 1962 the government changed the law, it no longer allowed the purchase of slaves, although it still allowed the purchase of wives.

The Koran was used by clerics to legitimize the government’s anti-Jewish fever. Portions of the Koran that condemned Jews: The Jews are enemies of the of Allah, of the Prophets, of the angels (297-98). They lies against Allah (450). They kill the prophets of Allah (571). They are enemies of the believers (582). They will receive the punishment of hell fire (793). [These passages] were given evermore prominence. [King] Fisal when beyond what even the Koran taught about Jews…. Fisal ordered that all hotels have the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in every room…. Fisal believed the Jews used the blood of Moslems and Christians in their religious holidays

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 16, 2011 09:46AM

Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 16, 2011 05:44PM

@fossil: IMHO "But about that day or hour no one knows" doesn't need interpreting. I have no inside info.

Are you saying that we should be concerned about 21 May?

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 16, 2011 06:04PM

bouncing smiley NO smiling
bouncing smiley

check again what i titled the links that i posted in the first comment

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 16, 2011 06:09PM

if i were religious, would i be poking fun at religion every chance i get?

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 17, 2011 07:04AM

One can be religious and not hold with religion. To be religious all one has to do is believe in God and the son of God. It is religion that demands you believe a host of other things that have nothing to do entering the Pearly Gates. It is possible to be religious and not believe in any organized religion. There is only one requirement to enter into heven and that is to believe that Jesus died for our sins, all else can be forgiven.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 17, 2011 07:54AM

selective self brainwashing is the most dangerous.

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 17, 2011 01:39PM

Is there a line separating "self selective brainwashing" from making up your own mind?

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 17, 2011 02:37PM

of course

Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 17, 2011 04:34PM

@jgoins: "To be religious all one has to do is believe in God and the son of God"


In fact the majority of religious people in the world don't believe in God the way you think of God, and they definitely don't believe in the son of God (muslims, buddhists, hindus, taoists and all the folk religions).

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 18, 2011 07:10AM

Granted some don't believe in the Son of God but they do believe in God even though it may be by a different name. Not believing in Jesus is their problem but believing in organized religion is an even bigger problem for them.

Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 18, 2011 03:12PM

@jgoins: you are clearly deluded or brainwashed. The islamic and judaic god might be the same as the christrian god, but not the others. Don't take everything your priest/pastor/bishop/elder/whatever-the-leaders-of your-church-are-called says as being an absolute truth. That's the sort of thing that led to Jonestown.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 18, 2011 03:54PM

so because others think one way he should change his views to fit in?

Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 18, 2011 05:12PM

Good one fossil - you almost got me to actually take the bait and enter into a foolish argument (every argument with a fool is a foolish argument).

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 18, 2011 05:15PM

so i'm a fool for not thinking like you? smiling
bouncing smiley

and you don't see a pattern here? (*facepalm*)

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 18, 2011 07:48PM

do i need to give you the toad handicap? (2 moves to my one) smiling
bouncing smiley

Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 18, 2011 07:51PM

No - you're a fool for twisting my words around and trying to get me to bite.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 18, 2011 08:02PM

Posted by: GAK67 [x]
Date: May 18, 2011 03:12PM

Good one fossil - you almost got me to actually take the bait and enter into a foolish argument (every argument with a fool is a foolish argument).

donde esta el twisto?

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 18, 2011 08:17PM

or maybe it was this one:

Posted by: GAK67 [x]
Date: May 18, 2011 01:12PM

@jgoins: you are clearly deluded or brainwashed. The islamic and judaic god might be the same as the christrian god, but not the others. Don't take everything your priest/pastor/bishop/elder/whatever-the-leaders-of your-church-are-called says as being an absolute truth. That's the sort of thing that led to Jonestown.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 18, 2011 08:19PM

maybe this one?

Posted by: GAK67 [x]
Date: May 13, 2011 05:05AM

"I guess what I'm really doing is trying to make a couple of people ask some simple common sense questions in their heads"

Why? Why do you care what other people believe? Get a life.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 18, 2011 08:23PM

i think i owe you 6 moves now....shit! smiling
bouncing smiley

Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 18, 2011 09:05PM

Here's the twist: "so because others think one way he should change his views to fit in?" Never said it, never intended it.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 18, 2011 09:25PM

it's o.k., i know you're trying to discredit the admitted racist, but you're superstitions aren't any more correct than his because of it.
you need to choose your words much more carefully, or you look like the same sort of close minded...(needing adjective) that you proclaim to be above.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 18, 2011 11:03PM

yes you are that transparent. clown

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 19, 2011 11:59AM

This is not meant as an argument at all but just some information. It isn't even necessarily what I personally believe but it seems of interest to me.

I have learned that is a common Christian misconception that all religions other than Judaism, Islam and Christianity do not believe in the same God. In Vedic Hinduism (not the so called Hindu cults and sects that worship specific deities exclusively) there is only one real God. They even have a Trinity. Of course it is different in some ways but the idea in Vedic Hinduism is there is one God portrayed in different roles and types of action similar to a man being a father, a husband, a worker, etc. Different hats so to speak. In looking closely at Hinduism one can see more similarities than differences between it and Christianity but we have been taught the opposite. Many Hindus are also taught the opposite just as many members of western religions have been taught things that are contrary to the basis of their religions. Also in Vedic scriptures the terms gods or deities are used for specific spiritual beings can be thought of as referring angels or spirit servants of God, not as God proper and a differentiation is made between the God-head and lesser "gods." True Vedanta is not polytheistic nor pantheistic at all.

Hinduism and Buddhism also recognize Jesus but with different names than we use. The may not call him "the Son of God" but they do call him the equivalent in their language and culture, i.e God has become Man to dwell among us and show us the path to right behavior and salvation.

It is also a misconception that Buddhism is atheistic. The basic tenets of Buddhism do not focus on a deity of any sort at all but on obtaining clarity of mind independent of any religious beliefs and teachings. God is a non-issue however the existence of God is not denied and in some branches God is incorporated into the belief system in various ways but is always considered to be the One Divine Being. Your own mind is the issue in basic Buddhism. Of course that system of thought has also been bastardized over history just like all the other existing religions have been so it is understandable that we have misconceptions about it. It is very foreign to us and difficult for us to understand without studying it and learning some details.

Another interesting thing (to me anyway) is that the coming of Christ has been predicted and acknowledged by many non-Christian religions. The three Magi who visited Bethlehem were Zoroastrian priests from Persia. They had no connection to the Hebrews at all at that time. Some Vedantist Hindus believe he is Kalki, the tenth and final incarnation of Vishnu (God) for this age who came to earth on a comet (the star of Bethlehem?) and Vishnu's next return will be the beginning of another age (the 2nd comming of Christ?). Tantric and Tibetan Buddhists call Jesus Avalokiteshvara (in Sanskrit) and Chenrezig (in Tibetan). In India he is called Sri Ishi by Hindus.

Also remember that the name Jesus is Latinization of the Greek name Iesu which in turn is a Helenization of the Hebrew name Yeshua, which is his real name, which prompts some second thinking concerning using the name of Jesus as the source of God's power to answer prayer.

If we worked on understanding the other religions I think we would be at an advantage towards finding common ground between the various world religions. I do not advocate one world religion and I doubt that is possible or necessary and would most likely do more harm than good. The bottom line is we are best off making up our own minds but more information can help in making that decision a more informed one.

Posted by: woberto
Date: May 19, 2011 04:34PM

Mr Camping bases his calculations on a model in which the number 5 equals ''atonement'', the number 10 equals ''completeness'', and the number 17 equals ''heaven''.
Miraculously, the square of the multiple of those numbers produces the exact number of days from the birth of Christ to the day of judgment. (For a full analysis of his approach, see

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 20, 2011 03:19AM

Well my goodness! That certainly is miraculous since no one knows the date of his birth in the first place.

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 20, 2011 07:11AM

Nobody knows when the end of the world will come except God and he ain't telling.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 21, 2011 09:19AM

are you guys hiding in your basements today? smiling
bouncing smiley

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 21, 2011 12:22PM

The weather was supposed to be sunny today and that was predicted incorrectly too.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 21, 2011 05:37PM

bouncing smiley

Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 21, 2011 09:39PM

It was supposed to start with a huge earthquake down our way - hasn't been the slightest tremor.

What a surprise! (Where's that sarcasm font gone?"

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 21, 2011 09:55PM

you mean this one? clown

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 22, 2011 06:34AM

Damn he was right, I woke up dead today how disturbing. I guess he will say we all were judged unfit and will have to just wait until the end in October.

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 24, 2011 12:13PM

He says now it was an "invisible judgment day" and the big one will happen later.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 24, 2011 02:06PM

I can't believe he's not going to give back all the money he scammed people out of handjob

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 24, 2011 03:27PM

If he does it will be invisible money.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 24, 2011 03:44PM

if he gives it back, it will burst into flames in......37 days. clown

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 25, 2011 07:12AM

Wonder how he feels about being deemed unworthy of being saved with the rest of us.

Posted by: woberto
Date: May 25, 2011 08:08PM

It's gotta end sometime right?

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 26, 2011 01:26AM

The world comes to an end for for an awful of people every day.

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 26, 2011 06:25AM

Shocker, I have to agree with you Blah, we are mortal and the world will end for everyone some day or other. Ther is no getting away from it.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 26, 2011 08:33AM

i'm a zombie today. eye popping

Posted by: BlahX3
Date: May 26, 2011 12:34PM

One source says the daily death rate is around 150000 people per day. I don't know how accurate that is but it's a lot of people no matter what the actual number is.

The Christians want the rapture to come in their lifetime so they don't have to worry about physically dying. Good luck on that one. Everyone has a natural fear of death, it's part of the survival instinct. Evangelism is another selfishly motivated activity. They believe the more souls they can win for Christ the sooner the rapture will come. It is a clearly stated goal by many churches. What about trying to work towards making the world less of a hellish place? Didn't Jesus and the Bible have some serious stuff to say about that?

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 26, 2011 02:02PM

the first MF that tries to "double tap" me loses an arm. angry

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 27, 2011 06:59AM

Come on fossil just an arm. I was always taught that when I have to draw my weapon it is to kill something never to wound it whether it is a man or an animal. Somebody tries to double tap me make sure you don't miss because I won't.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 27, 2011 08:42AM

zombies don't know how to shoot totally

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 28, 2011 05:31AM

Zombies can't use the internet either so nothing is happening here.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 28, 2011 08:25AM

o.k.,so it's a costume....jeez! eye popping

like ^^ that ^^ link 'berto. thumbs

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Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 28, 2011 08:34AM

i need to start up the zombie death category. clown

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 29, 2011 06:06AM

If you want to kill zombies you can start in DC with congress.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 29, 2011 09:42AM

they are changelings in Washington, the dominion has infiltrated both parties

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Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 29, 2011 09:44AM

i can most certainly say that i do NOT want to kill anyone even if they point a gun to my head.

Posted by: woberto
Date: May 30, 2011 06:23AM

I think I got that link from PJ at some stage

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 30, 2011 06:47AM

Well I never WANTED to kill anyone but when they point a gun to my head what I WANT goes out the window.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 30, 2011 09:34AM

a perfect example how martial arts may just save your life someday.

you are never too old to learn either.

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Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 30, 2011 01:51PM

Here is a perfect example how martial arts may just save your life someday!

I know I'm gonna get shot down over this (if you'll excuse the pun), but it's also a good example of effective gun control - if guns were easily accessible martial arts probably wouldn't have been enough.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2011 01:53PM by GAK67.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 30, 2011 05:55PM

teaching everyone and anyone the combat arts is dangerous for them as well as others. some people just can't handle the "power" involved and abuse it. i'll never teach the wrong person.

as for gun control...we don't need any more, what we need is for it to be a much stiffer background check to get a gun whether it be a hand gun or an assault rifle

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2011 05:58PM by fossil_digger.

Posted by: jgoins
Date: May 31, 2011 06:07AM

I think what we need is open carry law everywhere. If more people carried a gun openly everywhere there would be less gun crimes. There were not as many gun crimes back in the old west as the movies depict. Why do you think it is that no one goes into a police station and shoot it up? Not knowing if the person next to you is better with a gun or not would prevent many from using their gun on anyone.

Posted by: woberto
Date: May 31, 2011 04:32PM

By definition, Jesus was a zombie, right?

Posted by: GAK67
Date: May 31, 2011 04:42PM

Open carry blah blah blah wild west blah blah blah.

There are many factors that are not the same between the wild west and now, but if you want to draw the comparison if open carry was allowed the criminals would just find the next target and crime would not go down, just like in the wild west when stage coaches started having a shotgun rider the robberies moved to banks or trains. Anecdotal evidence at least shows that the greater the defense system the greater the attack needs to be, whether that be personally or nationally. It also gives the person with the defenses a false sense of security. The only thing open carry would do is up the level of violence and armaments of the criminals. Instead of holding you at gunpoint to rob you of your wallet, they will shoot you and take your wallet and your gun.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: May 31, 2011 08:02PM

Posted by: jgoins
Date: June 01, 2011 07:17AM

I really don't think a criminal will choose that option because it would still not be certain they will be the victor. Criminals are cowards and will only commit a crime if they are relatively cretain they will not get caught or shot. Also if we all carried openly it would give the police a chance to run a check on anyone they think looks suspicious to see if they are a felon and legally allowed to carry. See someone carrying just run a 51 on him and it it comes back 1052 then just arrest him and take him to jail, if it comes back no wants or warrants then just say thank you sir and let him go. Crimminals don't worry about the law and will carry a weapon concealed anytime they want to, but with open carry it will just level the playing field for law abiding citizens somewhat.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: June 01, 2011 07:58AM

poor yak, your wussificationalism is showing.

Posted by: woberto
Date: June 01, 2011 09:03AM

I was watching the golf on TV one day and noticed a guy in the crowd was wearing a side arm.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: June 01, 2011 09:33AM

Posted by: GAK67
Date: June 01, 2011 04:55PM

Thanks for the link fossil, because we had no idea that there was a constititional right to keep and bear arms in the US.

@jgoins: "Criminals are cowards and will only commit a crime if they are relatively cretain they will not get caught or shot." That is my point exactly - they wont approach you and ask for your wallet at gunpoint, they will shoot you from behind or from cover before you have a chance to draw your weapon and then just take your wallet and your gun. I'm sure the police will really enjoy the extra work they have to do checking out everybody they see carrying a firearm under your proposal, because all the police I know are so underworked at the moment. Under your proposal the logical conclusion is that we will eventually be walking down the road with body armour on and guns drawn with safety's off so we can defend ourselves if need be. It's an escalation that will only lead to an escalation from the criminals that will lead to an escalation in defences which will lead to an escalation from the criminals which will lead...

Italics = sarcasm

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: June 01, 2011 05:21PM

sure is funny how people that don't have the right are experts on the subject. handjob

Posted by: GAK67
Date: June 01, 2011 06:25PM

Personally I think it's even more funny that the people with the right are so blinkered about it. up yours

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: June 01, 2011 06:30PM

what are you going to do if your government decides to go ape shit on the people? roll over and take it?

Posted by: GAK67
Date: June 01, 2011 07:04PM

We were the first truly democratic nation on the planet, and very proud of that. If the government went 'ape shit' on the people, no we would not roll over and take it. Our police force would not accept it, our military personnel would not accept it and our citizens would not accept it. The fact that there is tight gun control laws here does not mean that there are no guns here. There is a firearms shop just down the road from where I work. Many people here enjoy hunting and almost every farmer would have a rifle and/or shotgun. There are gun clubs in all the major cities and also in many of the smaller towns. My 9 year old son did some target shooting with a .22 rifle just a few weeks ago. Although I personally do not own a gun or have a gun licence I know people who do, I know how to use them and have been hunting with friends on numerous occassions.

That said, jgoins argument over open carry, and my initial point about that woman who used her martial arts training on her attackers, has nothing to do with government overthrow. It is to do with personal protection. If you can't keep up with the discussion fossil, it's probably best to keep out of it.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: June 01, 2011 09:08PM

that's true, but they all intertwine no matter how you twist it.

Posted by: jgoins
Date: June 02, 2011 07:32AM

No Gak the police would not need to check everyone they see, it would just give them another reason to check suspicious characters for wants and warrants. Do the police stop every car they see crossing the center line on the road, no, but they can use that as a reason to stop a car they suspect of something.

Back shooting and ambush was not as prevalent in the old west as movies depict, that's not to say it won't happen but it happens some even now and would not happen more if we had open carry.

Posted by: GAK67
Date: June 02, 2011 07:44AM

@jgoins: "would not happen more if we had open carry." - What do you base this on? Certainly not logic.

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: June 02, 2011 08:34AM

logic is relative.

the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

"An ancestor of mine maintained, that if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

"Quite simply, I examined the problem from all angles, and it was plainly hopeless. Logic informed me that under the circumstances, the only logical action would have to be one of desperation. Logical decision, logically arrived at."

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: June 02, 2011 08:52AM

let's say open carry was the norm...less roadrage (after a "breaking in" period) old folks and wussies alike wouldn't want to drive to avoid getting shot for driving like shitheads....less oil...less gas...less evil emmisions. (*butt*)

Posted by: fossil_digger
Date: June 02, 2011 02:10PM

Posted by: jgoins
Date: June 03, 2011 06:33AM

@jgoins: "would not happen more if we had open carry." - What do you base this on? Certainly not logic.

NO, common sense. There are already a majority of states which have open carry laws and the stats in those states do not support your hypothesis.

Where are all the back shooting and ambush shootings?

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/03/2011 06:44AM by jgoins.

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