*238240:* You mistake, we were absolutely NOT minding our own business until 9/11. We have been fucking around in the third world since the 40's. Read some interesting history, and not the shit they taught you in school. Can you say "Pinochet", I thought you could. *So*, let's see, America invades Iraq on a false pretext -- after bombing the country's infrastructure for 12 years -- and the "insurgents" are to blame for things? As it appears, the US is responsible for opening that particular Pandora's Box. *0174* : Yep, that'll sure show 'em! Works every time, right? Torture ensures that people will sit down and shut up... and it definitely won't radicalize entire populations... yup! Won't drive people into the hands of the terrorist... that's right... they will want to emulate Americans! Yessir!