John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 24, 2006 08:03AM
Oh?
Duane Report This Comment Date: January 24, 2006 11:17AM
John,whats up with the pic?
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 03:05AM
'tis connected to the article, Duane. I thought it was interesting.. showing
all the oil and gas fields in the region that we're attempting to control. The
assault/occupation of Iraq is =not= about "democracy", as some may
have already guessed, but about corporate and gov't control of the oil fields.
And that control is also =not= about cheaper gas prices for you. Unfortunately,
they have unleashed a hornet's nest, and control - to say nothing of profit from
oil/gas fields - is nothing but a pipe dream. And, basically, this is why we
are threatening Iran. It's less about nukes than competition for control of
extra-national energy supplies.
Duane Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 03:55AM
This is why I never liked the middle east,everything is rated R and not fit for
people under 17
.Hey if China is poised to become the next world
super power and demand the most oil then why not protect our intrests.Think
about it Iran want Nukes and China has them,something that concerns me.Irans
leadership would like nothing more than to have a nuclear weapon and feel power
behind thier fanatical religious beliefs.Plus the capability two cripple our
economy at any time.No sir I think Ill take the greedy conservatives before Ill
let this country fall on its knees before these assholes JMHO.Have you seen
yellow.....?guess you would have told me.You dont know what your missing.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 04:12AM
"Hey if China is poised to become the next world super power and demand
the most oil then why not protect our intrests." -- Yah, who cares about
the innocents that might die. Justice? Democracy? They are speedbumps. As
Madeline Albright said "the price is worth it." Ha! Fuckin' Robocop..
Duane Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 05:11AM
So in your opinion these people have done no wrong and should be allowed to
decide our destiny and terrorize the world every time they get a fanatical hair
up their ass.Most of the weapons these countries use is chinese but that is just
a coincidence.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 05:50AM
Drill in Alaska, if we have to go through a caribou's head, we could make him a
marter for the cause. Keep the oil coming.. They like the warm pipeline, it
makes them horny and they produce twice as many.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 06:59AM
We'll probably reach global peak oil within the next ten years anyway, then the
price of oil will go up forever... and our entire lifestyle - internet included
- will probably change. Just an FYI.
On January 25, 2006, 5:11 am *Duane@3154 said* :
So in your opinion these people have done no wrong and should be allowed to
decide our destiny and terrorize the world every time they get a fanatical hair
up their ass.Most of the weapons these countries use is chinese but that is just
a coincidence.
Whoa Duane, you're reading into things a little much. Viz. Iraq, we claim to
"not like their gov't", so we bomb the fuck out of it and occupy the
country. Well over 100,000 people have died because of this... all
"insurgents"? No. Does the USA have the right to invade a soverign
country and kill lots of people with crazy-ass weapons ... just because we don't
like the government? (Which is to say, actually, that the Iraqi gov't turned
against us, since we were their ally back in the '80s).
What does "[Iran] should be allowed to decide our destiny and terrorize the
world every time they get a fanatical hair up their ass" actually mean?
Have they ever done that? Has America ever terrorized the world, or even any
specific country, whenever we get a fanatical hair up our ass? Uhm, oh yes, we
have. Oops. I guess we're getting a little hypocritical here Duane. No wonder
the rest of the world doesn't really trust the USA. Just $0.02 here.
Duane Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 12:07PM
Worth 2 cents.Comparing us and then is like saying our police does the same
work as the crips,complete different set of goals in the world.Its apples to
oranges my friend when you compare what they want to what we want.We want
civilization everywhere so everyone talks at an equal level but when you have
fanatical muslim governments and dictators controling the worlds agenda and
posing a threat to Isreal,U.S.,hell even France is feeling the heat.Im telling
ya,if we can't do it this way I guarantee that the middle east will go the way
of neanderthals.Its an emense expense to secure society as long as this goes on
and this has been going on for a while if you include Isreal.War will have a
finite end,they all do.One side just decides they have taken to many lumps.In
Iraqs case they were not our friends just against a comon enemy Iran.I would not
even call Iraq a government even though technicaly ruthless dictatorships are.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 06:41PM
=Its an emense(immense) expense to secure society=
And that's exactly what we are *not* doing. Oh, you meant Israel, my bad.
-> Massive increase of terrorist attacks worldwide since 2003, not including
Iraq.
-> Iraq on the bring of civil war.
-> The 'global guerilla' threat expanding, viz. Nigeria.
(http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/)
---> We've opened a pandora's box, and it won't be closed any time soon.
And, again, why are we in Iraq? Not for "democracy", but to plunder
the oil resources. Duh.
=War will have a finite end,they all do=
I wouldn't count on this one having a similar end, considering its a state vs.
non-state factors.
=In Iraq's case they were not our friends just against a common enemy Iran=
Friends of convenience, enemies of convenience... I smell a trend here.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 06:42PM
Duane, does the USA have the right to invade a country if it has a
"ruthless" dictator? And, how would we define "ruthless
dictator"? What is the metric?
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 25, 2006 09:42PM
bring = brink
Duane Report This Comment Date: January 26, 2006 11:18AM
There were many violations to the UN resolutions and enough reasons to think
after what happened (9-11) he would aid anyone trying to hurt us.How is it you
can completely deny this and say in the same breath that any theory that pops up
about the US is true.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: January 27, 2006 04:14AM
Interesting. So violation of UN resolutions is a fair part of a reason to
invade a country? Israel has violated numerous UN resolutions. So has the USA.
Since the USA had been bombing, weekly, Iraq's "no fly zones",
destroying their infrastructure and preventing basic medical supplies from
getting into the country via an embargo... there should be no surprise that Iraq
would be interesting in retaliating.
Who started it? I recall that the USA started bombing Iraq first, in 1990,
based on the tacit approval that April Galaspie gave to Saddam to invade Kuwait.
Tit for tat, and the cycle of violence continues.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: February 23, 2006 08:45AM
Duane has no comment. I figured as much.
Duane Report This Comment Date: February 23, 2006 11:54PM
Sorry but we were not at war with Isreal and we were told to back out by the UN
so its apples to oranges.Thats a nice twist of words on April
Galaspie"Before the invasion of Kuwait Saddam Hussein had last minute talks
with the American ambassador, April Galaspie, during which she said that the
United States had `no opinion on inter-Arab disputes`, This put his mind at rest
as to how the west would react to his claim on Kuwait."His decision not
hers.Sorry my day obviously involved something more important than my rants with
a retarded asshole,what can I say shit happens.Have you seen Yellowbeard yet.
triton Report This Comment Date: August 18, 2006 12:48PM
INTERESTING
but why did the thread discontinue so abruptly
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2006 04:42AM
Ah well.. things move on.. Duane is boring to argue with.. other interests
intervene.
Did you know that this thread is #6 in Google when you search for "april
galaspie" .
weird.
Back to Duane:
=sorry but we are not at war with israel=
Ok buddy, you said "Iraq violated UN resolutions" as an
argument/reason =for invading iraq= .
So if that's your position then the US should have been invaded years ago, as
well as Israel, for violating UN resolutions. Have you ever even studied
logical argumentation?
=april galaspie=
She and James Baker III worked to assure Saddam that they/USA didn't care if
Iraq invaded Kuwait.
But lo! once Iraq moved troops into Kuwait (because Kuwait was 'slant drilling'
and stealing Iraqi oil), it was used as a pretext for the US "desert
storm" thingy. And the subsequent 12 years of weekly bombings from teh
UKUSA contingent.
=retarded asshole=
The very fact that you resort to personal insults shows that you have no leg to
stand on.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2006 04:44AM
Here is another interesting comment of Duanes:
=Think about it Iran want Nukes and China has them,something that concerns
me=
Pakistan has nukes, and gave them to N. Korea.
Yet we aren't invading Pakistan.
Further, Pakistan is ruled by a brutal military dictator.
I thought the US didn't like dictators?
What about Democracy for Pakistan?
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2006 04:56AM
A primary reason that any country wants nukes, is because with nukes, they can
prevent the USA from invading their country and doing what they have done to
Iraq. duh.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: August 28, 2006 10:47PM
not necessarily
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2006 08:29PM
Oh! I am crushed by the weight of your profound logical onslaught! "not
necessarily" ! Gawd, how can I refute that? Impossible. I cede my
position to your omnipotence, Sir Fossil.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2006 08:30PM
What, are you now standing in for that Powerhouse of Arugment, Duane?
Is this 'tag team internet debates' or something?
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: August 29, 2006 08:30PM
*omniscience.
sorry.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: August 30, 2006 12:30AM
sorry Ive never been accused of being as long winded as most. i just don't see
ant evidence of nuclear power being a logical deterrent argument.
duane Report This Comment Date: August 30, 2006 09:48AM
Im back, did you miss me John? John you misunderstood me. We were at war with
Iraq and pulled out in becuase of the UN. If we had ignored the UN and took
Sadam out this war never would have happened. John you act so innocent on the
name calling, thats a little retarded if you ask me. Oh and by the way you are
an asshole just look at the way you answered foosil. You never told me if you
saw Yellowbeard.
duane Report This Comment Date: August 30, 2006 09:49AM
foosil=fossil, sorry man
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: August 30, 2006 05:36PM
proof that we should invade and conquer iran.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: September 01, 2006 11:59PM
fossil_digger said :
sorry Ive never been accused of being as long winded as most. i just don't see
ant evidence of nuclear power being a logical deterrent argument.
Oh really? Why don't we invade N. Korea then? They are part of that so-called
"Axis of Evil" (a crap propaganda term if there ever was one.)
Why don't we take out Pakistan's dictator, if the USA is so set against
dictators?
Duane:
We were at "war" with Iraq based on a bullshit set up on our part.
Saddam checked in with the USA about invading Kuwait because Kuwait (and THEIR
dictatorship) was stealing Iraqi oil.
This situation was used as a pretext for the US to bomb the fucking shit out of
Iraq, destroying it's military and civilian services (water, medicine, etc.)
The goal was -- and is -- to keep the price of oil nice and comfy high so the
Saudi's and Oil Companies can bask in profit largesse.
This /current/ occupation would never have happened if the USA had let the UN
keep its weapon inspectors in Iraq. They were doing a great job of keeping
Saddam from producing nukes.
But again, the 'WMD' argument was propaganda to scare the American public into
supporting another illegal war.
The real goal is to keep the oil markets nice and stable, and allow Saudi Arabia
to control the price of oil, via their dominance of OPEC.
Bush/Cheney suck Saudi cock. All day long.
John_Stone Report This Comment Date: September 02, 2006 12:00AM
Yellowbeard, no.
Asshole, yes.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: September 02, 2006 01:13AM
damn, how many misconceptions can 1 person list in a comment?
jesus!
