jgroins: let me help you:


extreme torture which is inadmissable in court,
---Ok, we know that torture and sexual humiliation was used in Abu Ghraib. It is further alleged that torture by the US to Iraqis (some of whom are innocent) is going on in other Iraqi jails. Are you going to dispute this? Torture, according to US law, is inadmissable as useful evidence. So, if we (the US) is interested in justice and court cases, then this is the wrong way to go.


the death of countless civilians and children,
---45,144 and counting. Not counting the 5,000 per MONTH that were dying during the '90s due to food/medicine sanctions imposed by the US/UN.
[www.iraqbodycount.com]

British medical organization estimates over 100,000 iraqis dead:
[news.bbc.co.uk]
You going to refute the BBC?


the radioactive irradiation of the middle east (via "depleted" uranium shells),
---The US uses "depleted uranium" shells in their tanks.
[en.wikipedia.org]
This is a bad thing:
[www.fas.org]


the use of illegal weapons like cluster bombs and white phosphorous,
---1. Are you going to tell me that the US has not used cluster bombs and white phosphorous?
[www.csmonitor.com]


the illegal invasion of a country,
--- What basis did the USA have to invade Iraq? What legal pretext? Don't give me your junior sophist BS about "where are the int'l cops" ... you know damn well that no one arrests the powerful.


the occupation of that country,
--- Are you disputing that the USA occupies Iraq? I think that's basic fact, chum. Prove it wrong.


the re-writing of it's economy and laws,
--- Do you not believe that Jerry Bremer, the initial viceroy of Iraq, did not commit Iraq to binding laws and resolutions?
[www.cpa-iraq.org]


and the basic destruction of it's food & water infrastructure,
--- "On January 30, 2005, an official report by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, Stuart Bowen, cited by Time, stated that $9 billion for the reconstruction of Iraq might have disappeared in frauds, corruption and other misbehavior. "
[www.sigir.mil]


the destruction of America's image worldwide, the fueling of Islamist jihadists worldwide,
--- The US Defense Dept stopped keeping track of "terrorist" incidents, because they rose to a higher level post-invasion than any other time in in history.
[www.washingtonpost.com]

the rise in the price of oil,
--- Ok jgoins, you're right about this. The price of oil has not risen one penny since the invasion of 2003. You got me there.


and the weakening of US civil liberties (all of which is readily documented)
---[en.wikipedia.org]
[www.aclu.org]
Did you know that the cops can get your library check-out records now? Do you think that is an invasion of your civil liberties? I do.

As you can see, my sources are varied.
Anyway, feel free to deny any of this stuff.
You probably will anyway.
That's ok.