I totally agree with pretty much both sides of this argument.

See this is the thing. I don't honestly care who is president of the US, or what party is in power. I don't live there, it really doesn't effect me, aside from when the shit hits the fan and we're dragged either into financial turmoil or war, both of which have happened this decade.

The thing that pisses me off is when people make up bullshit facts trying to win an argument. Throwing things out there like "debt has quadrupled under Obama", whilst not only being unsubstantiated by the person making the claim, even the most brain dead moron can see with a cursory glance that it's a stupid thing to say.

I'm all for people arguing, but at least do it sensibly.

To be honest, I hated Bush. I think he was a spineless, brain dead coward. But then I don't particularly like Obama either. I just.. don't care.

We're going to be faced with a similar situation in Australia sometime around November. The Labour party leader, Kevin Rudd, is a complete fuck. He's ruining the country. But Tony Abbott, the leader of the alternative 'major' party, is just a talking head whos only real policies seem to be saying the complete opposite of what the Labour party says.

It's just a shit situation to be in, and it's pretty much where I see America.

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