jgoins Report This Comment Date: September 24, 2014 11:57AM
Maybe they are just moving here so they can blow themselves up and kill us.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: September 26, 2014 12:10AM
Just a cuppla suggestions for all immigrants every where:
1. If the laws and societal rules and or policies of the country you choose to
make your new home in disturb or bother you .... move somewhere the fuck
else!
2. If your aim/goal is to suck off the public teat of your new home ... fuck off
and die ... slowly!
DarkKlown Report This Comment Date: September 26, 2014 01:17AM
So i can only really talk about people in my own country. But it seems that
most extremist muslims in Australia are actually born here. They are then
brainwashed into thinking that the country of their origin is some perfect world
and it is infact 'the west' that's the shithole. They also see the Media spin
the war and think to themselves that the country they are seeing bombed could of
held them and their family and they naturally feel anger. I know i would be feel
hatred if America suddenly started to bomb the UK (even if the UK did do
something to 'deserve' it). The problem has always stemmed from governments
attempts at instilling nationalism into it's citizens. I know in Australia those
that seem to wave the flag and scream the loudest about how much they love
Australia are usually those that with the same breath will denounce and racially
slur those that hold other belief systems than their own.
It's easy to disenfranchise teens, they need very little pushing in the best of
circumstances. With all the hatred being highlighted by the Media from and
towards Muslims it's very easy to think they are we're all the same and it's
very easy for everyone to think everyone else is against them. The main problem
is that these 'extremists' simply haven't experienced daily life in countries
that they think are their homes. It's totally different going for a 'holiday' (i
use quotes here as joining up with ISIL for a week and blowing shit up is, for
some, a holiday) in a country and dealing with the daily grind. The daily grind
is what their parents have fled from to be able to give them a chance of a
better life. I don't feel anger towards these people, i simply feel pity.
Recently we had a 18 year old shot by police after he stabbed 2 officers. I feel
nothing but sadness by all of this. I'm by no means terrorified. Annually
something like 300,000 people die from drowning. The stats on terrorist activity
is something like 300-500 deaths a year globally. This weekend I plan on going
to the beach and taking a swim.
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Mrkim Report This Comment Date: September 26, 2014 03:08AM
Always best to relate what one knows of personally, though with the net makin
the world a much smaller place these days, ones sphere of knowledge can def be
expanded, yet just as surely manipulated too :>/
In stayin with what's personally known, I've watched for the last 50+ years as
the complexion of my home has continually grown darker and darker, and NOT
because we tan more now than before.
What was once a trickle of immigrants from down Mexico way, has neared
torrential proportions of late and far too many of them are coming here for the
wrong reasons.
I can accept anyone wanting a better life for themselves and their offspring,
but when they illegally choose to come here, then demand rights and benefits
from a country they broke into, this breeds nothing but contempt from myself and
many like me :>/
jgoins Report This Comment Date: September 26, 2014 11:17AM
I too have no problem with those who come here legally trying to find a better
life. I have a big problem with those who come her illegally and try to steal a
better life. To me it is like a squatter who moves into your home while you are
on vacation and take over and refuses to get out. If someone took over your
home while you were gone you would be pissed off and might even try to use
violence to get them out. If Mexico wants the land back we took during the
Mexican American war then let them send military troops to take it back instead
of doing it this way. We are letting them win without firing a shot.
DarkKlown Report This Comment Date: September 27, 2014 02:31PM
Kinda unsure how this tread switched over to talking about Mexican's. But i'll
go with it. At the end of the day what does it matter how a person came to work
in your community? Does paying the fed a bribe (immigration costs) really make
them a better person? I imported my wife from the states into Australia and it
cost us a small fortune. All for what? A piece of paper that says she's a
citizen and wont have men with guns come take her away in the middle of the
night to be deported? That money could of been better spent in many different
ways.
Don't get me wrong when it comes to getting government assistance I definitely
think it should be limited to citizens. However if someone wants to come and
work and contribute taxes and give their kids a better life. Why should I stand
up and say no. Why should the fed as my representative say no either? I also
don't think that the person with the bigger wallet or better connections makes a
better citizen. I think some people are able to understand what a difference
being able to leave a shithole has been to their lives and the lives of their
family and will be some of the biggest champions of that society if given the
chance and/or direction.
i'm not some hippy who thinks we should have all the borders open. But i do
think that if you are able to find work and are willing to live by a countries
rules you should be given a chance. Too much focus is spent worrying about the
potential loss of income that we all give too much of our actual income away to
defend against it (taxation for border 'protection'). The reality is if someone
is caught crossing into America from Mexico they just need to retry and most
likely won't get caught the next time. No harm no foul.
Australia has a policy that if you try and enter the country without going via
the correct channels of immigration you will be detained (for around a year) and
unless you are a true refugee will be deported/relocated outside of the country
(kinda makes a retry a little harder prospect). I whole heartily agree with this
policy. Not because i think these people are a danger (on the large) to
Australia but because i think entering Australia by boat is a danger to them. We
have some crazy water swashing around our coasts. Besides having to jump over
silly walls that couldn't keep coyote's out I don't really think the crossing
into America is that dangerous.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: September 27, 2014 03:27PM
"We are letting them win without firing a shot."
Please consider this:
When America took the land from Mexico it split families across borders.
Creating the border there created border crossings there. I'm not saying that's
a good thing or a bad thing about the border, it is just the truth because
that's what happened. plain and simple.
Sure it's a hell of a lot better in America. Damn right it is. It's about as
good as fucked up gets in this world and we are proud of that as Americans. The
native born USA citizens are lucky and didn't have to do anything out of the
ordinary aside from being a live birth to get here. You can't blame others and
especially Central Americans for coming here, they have family here and much
better opportunities here. Who wouldn't want to come here? You would want to
come here too if you were in their place.
It's not a war, it's life going on. It's not going to stop through legislation
or politics or executive or regulative or police or military actions and means.
It's not going to stop at all. Humans migrate from shitty conditions to better
conditions. What do you want to do, bomb them? Make it a real war? That will
just make them want to get the fuck out of there faster and come here even more.
You want to commit complete genocide? This is simply not possible.
The best we can hope for is to be able to keep better track of it and make wise
choices as a government. As individual and collective people we have to adjust.
The world is not becoming less populated and isn't going to stop or change just
because we don't agree with it or like how it's going.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: September 29, 2014 12:14PM
What taxes do illegals pay when they have no social security number? In my
experience I have seen them come here and not even try to learn the language but
it is getting so we are told to learn their language. I have seen some if not
most who live multiple families in one home and send most their money back to
Mexico. I have seen many of them buy guns and electronics and stuff to send
back home. If they want to come here and live then they should want to become
Americans and disown their former country if it is so bad there. They should
learn our language and work to become citizens and stop flying the Mexican flag
above the American flag. I am of German and Irish descent and do not hold that
above being American nor fly any other flag. As far as government hand outs I
feel illegals do not deserve any help from our government. Any families who
might have been split because of the border changing way back then have long
since died out so if they are coming here to unite with families they are only
using that as an excuse to come here and are probably very distant family
members or families who originally came here illegal as well.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: September 29, 2014 03:33PM
I agree with you JG, I really do, but the problem isn't going to go away by
passing laws or enforcing laws aimed at applying band aids. We need to really
understand what's driving the problem before we can hope to resolve it and at a
very basic level it is governments that have created the problem, not the
people. So we set about correcting government but it fails time and again by
repeating historical mistakes.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: September 30, 2014 12:24PM
Maybe we should fill the Rio Grande with alligators and piranhas since placing
the military along the border with orders to shoot to kill is out of the
question. Find some way to close the border effectively and send the illegals
back when they are found. I really don't believe life is that bad in their
country, I think the government there is sending them here with the purpose of
infiltrating and taking territory so that in some future time to band together
to either secede from the union or just take land for Mexico. Why else would
they not try to learn the language and send money and goods back to Mexico? If
it is so easy to believe conspiracy theories about our government then why can
people believe conspiracies of the Mexican government.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: September 30, 2014 03:52PM
I certainly do not agree with you on that.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2014 11:50AM
Why not, you can believe in other giant government conspiracies or do you think
Mexicans just aren't smart enough to think of something like that.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 01, 2014 02:14PM
Neither.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: October 02, 2014 11:52AM
Sounds like you might have fallen into the politically correct trap.
BlahX3 Report This Comment Date: October 02, 2014 01:17PM
Sounds like you're ASSuming bullshit. It seems par for the course. YAWN.