John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 07:03PM

This was the guy, a Bush handpick btw, who argued that the USA was =exempt= from rules against torture, and that the Geneva Convention, to which the USA is a signatory, doesn't apply to US. Heh.

Tiw Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 07:20PM

Arrogant and stupid spring to mind.

madbull Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 07:58PM

I bet neither of these hippie chicks shave their armpits or legs

messyflatmate Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 08:16PM

The hippie chick on the left is a lawyer. Not sure about the other one.

9013052132 Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 09:07PM

Both fuckin' idiots.

John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 09:18PM

They are all law students. At Georgetown.

John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 09:19PM

9013052132@52132 said :
=Both fuckin' idiots=

Idiots to take a stand against someone who is removing liberty from America? What an interesting viewpoint you must have.

madmex Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 09:29PM

YA IDIOTS ARE HELPING YOUR SMART ASS OUT

cesiuminjector Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 09:43PM

actually when you think about it, any security has to come at a price of liberty, and liberty is exchanged for security. They are not opposites exactly but liberty's opposite entails security as security's opposite is at least strongly related to liberty. Just because ben franklin said it doesnt mean it is absolutely correct. Ben was human and fully capable of error despite his many other accomplishments.

cesiuminjector Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 09:43PM

oh yeah and them some arrogant bitches

Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: January 25, 2006 11:01PM

ALL HAVE THERE SAY..THATS COOL

messyflatmate Report This Comment
Date: January 26, 2006 11:29AM

cesium what do you mean, arrogant bitches? would you have it that no-one ever made any protest against anything? that we all just took whatever crap was dealt out to us? no matter how bad that was? i can't imagine that's what you think.

Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: January 26, 2006 11:30AM

The ones who are removing liberty from America are Muslims.....didn't have the crap we have to go through at the airport before Muslims started hijacking planes and blowing up buildings....I hate Muslims with a total passion.

Duane Report This Comment
Date: January 27, 2006 01:04AM

Flatmate I get your point about the protest,but its tasteless to get up and do that to a speaker.Thats why I see cesiuminjectors point.Not that you cant protest but how you do it.Disrespect is disrespect,disagreement is another thing totally.A few years ago the big thing for college kids was to go to certain venues(conservative)and heckle and scream over the speaker.That is over the line,if not where do you draw the line.

John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: January 27, 2006 05:41AM

*57137*, I disagree. Yes some Islamo-fanatics (not muslims in general, yo) attacked the US. However the person's who are responding my limiting liberty are the US's leaders.

*Duane*, Gonzales has sanctioned torture.. /torture/ ! He says torture is just a-ok. Does he deserve any respect at all? He disrespects every American by transgressing the freedoms under which we live. He deserves no respect.

How would you propose to protest this authoritarian fuck?

Duane Report This Comment
Date: January 28, 2006 12:33AM

Gee John who just got nasty,well I guess its back to the drawing board.Think about this with my opinion on life and abortion than that means all pro-choice deserve no respect.No,they are allowed to speak.Remember its there liberty to speak at a event they were invited to,not mine to distract everyone there with my actions.One more thing,Id rather torture some of these terrorist fucks to find out information than allow people to kill babies.John you have things your passionate about and I understand that but I also have things that I feel strongly about.Its all part of the American way.You also have to understand we have all seen the treatment of captives of the terrorists,usualy ends up with some idiot paradeing a head around a room.

John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: January 28, 2006 04:53AM

You're right, them torturing and killing is exactly the same as the US govt torturing and killing. They are exactly alike.

I would also say that you have every right to your opinion about abortion, and you have every right to organize a group of people to turn their backs on a speaker who is defending the need for safe abortion. Go for it. Where I stop is when people start setting bombs off to kill doctors. Just as I don't agree with terrorists or even "private" political groups setting bombs.

The main difference between announcing your opposition to Gonzales, and announcing your opposition to abortion doctors ... is that Gonzales is limiting _my_ freedom, and the freedome of every American living today.

Abortion, you may argue, limits the freedom of the fetus (but also affects the freedom of the mother). Significantly different, no?

You would torture terrorists.
You would stoop to their level?
You would become equal to them in violence and desperation?

interesting.

John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: January 28, 2006 04:58AM

I also disagree: It is their liberty to speak at an event to which they were invited. But it is also our liberty - and responsibility - to respond to them, and not sit there like sheep while they say anything they want.

I still think pro-life people should put their energy into distributing information about sex and pregnancy, and ensuring that people have access to contraceptives ... than running around wasting energy protesting the result of the lack of information.

Want to reduce abortions? Give sexually active people the right information on how to have sex safely. Duh.

Want to reduce terrorism? Don't invade non-involved countries, and don't torture the criminals. Easy.

Duane Report This Comment
Date: January 28, 2006 09:10PM

How about enforceing rules on young people instead of giving them free reign.DUH.Also they are not criminals in such a general term,they are terrorists.If I had one of the people that cut off heads on tv I would torture him for no reason better than I felt like it.Why am I supposed to feel bad for the insurgents if they know where these assholes are but will not tell without being hurt.I would not torture the insurgents for no reason except to save lives or capture key figures.The confirmed terrorists I would not care about their treatment.They have no respect for life so fuck them.I also dont agree with your simplistic view of things.You say its our fault for what happened on 9-11 and Iraq did not play a part or deserve to be attacked but I disagree.I think of what we new of Sadam it was only a matter of time before he found a way to get at us.We have freed the people of Iraq,its up to them to make a new life.We can help but we cant do it all.
Anything the US does is not enough or wrong so its lose lose no matter what.If Bush says hes withdrawing troops you will say look hes abandoning the Iraqi people,but if he stays you keep harping hes wrong for being there.About the protesters,in 1993 the conservatives wanted to protest at the democratic national convention but were made to go a mile down the road to a fenced in parking lot.Ill bet you were not preaching freedom of speech then were you.

John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: January 29, 2006 06:46AM

=How about enforceing rules on young people instead of giving them free reign= .
How about taking reality into account and realizing that human beings are sexual at age 13 and giving them the information and responsibility to act appropriately, instead of trying to "control" them.

=If I had one of the people that cut off heads on tv I would torture him for no reason better than I felt like it=
So who will stand up first and be the better man? You will stoop to their level? That makes you the same as them.

=We have freed the people of Iraq,its up to them to make a new life=
BS. We have enflicted 3 generations of hell in Iraq. Saddam couldn't have done anything to us, we were bombing Iraq =weekly= for 13 years, and had UN inspectors running around the country. What could Saddam actually do in that situation?

=Anything the US does is not enough or wrong so its lose lose no matter what= . =If Bush says hes withdrawing troops you will say look hes abandoning the Iraqi people=
Well, they could have started by not invading a soverign country that could not defend itself.

=conservatives wanted to protest at the democratic national convention but were made to go a mile down the road to a fenced in parking lot=
This is the shape of all US protests, and I oppose it, as I did then.

Duane, you are gullible if you believe the US is there for "Democracy" and "saving the Iraqi people". If that is truly the goals of the Administration, they then would have engaged UN inspectors to keep Saddam from trying anything, and actually fomented democratic action ... not military invasion. That's stupid.

Military invasion has guaranteed generations of "terrorists" to come.. membership in Al Qaeda blossoms, and "5% of muslims trust the USA now", as opposed to a majority before the war. So the true global situation is worse, not better, than the invasion and occupation - which, btw, is going to be more or less permanent.

So the goals must =really= be about expanding corporate "free-trade" markets into the closed economies of West Asia, circling China, and trying to control central asian fuel supplies (as opposed to letting the "free-market" do that "naturally", no we have to use the military and kill hundreds of thousands of people.)

Oh well.

9013052132 Report This Comment
Date: January 29, 2006 08:37AM

Yeah, dissent is a good thing. Ok..how many conservatives would you see engaging in a childish display like this if that loudmouth cunt Hillary Clinton or asshole Al Gore gave a speech instead? Not a one, I'll bet you.

Duane Report This Comment
Date: January 29, 2006 01:31PM

John your opinion is a joke to me because you accept things the way you see them.There is no change to be made,Sadam can kill as often as he likes,kids at 13 should decide the rest of there lives then.Alot of teenagers want to quit school how about just tell them the bennifits and let them choose.How about there friends,"Johnny want to hang out with little timmy crackhead"well I suppose you would tell him that timmy just has a problem but it will not effect Johnny.Sure untill his hookup robs him and shoots Johnny in the process.Teenagers are not accountable and never should be considered untill proven.That one of the reasons 13 yearolds dont drive or vote.

Ninepointfiver Report This Comment
Date: January 30, 2006 06:50AM

So, this is what our youth has come down to. Little bitches should've had the shit slapped out of them a couple of times growing up. That's what we used to get if we disrespected an elder or an authority figure!

sagace1 Report This Comment
Date: February 07, 2006 09:16AM

Just remember, thats how the Nazis got started create fear, talk the people into getting rid of guns in the general population, then fuck'em over. Duane read it.... "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trial -- Oh yeah and if your are from the USA you better check up on history its "Give me liberty or give me death death" not give everyone else supposed liberty and give certain people lots of money! I'm not a puss I'll kick ass if I need to but if someone ask me to kick ass I have to check what there going to get out of it it.

John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: February 23, 2006 08:40AM

"Fascism should more properly be called 'corporatism', since it is the merger of state and corporate power." --- Benito Mussolini

John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: February 23, 2006 08:41AM

What will you stand up for ?

John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: February 23, 2006 08:42AM

Duane, you're comments are so off the mark, I will not respond. Clearly you are more interested in rhetoric than true debate. See ya, punk!

Duane Report This Comment
Date: February 23, 2006 11:51AM

Yeah john,now I know how to get rid of you.Just talk about the reallity of the situation and not the less frequent outcome of just one person.With the actions of Iran dont bet that Iraq was the real prize Mr.Near Sighted.Later Tiny Balls.